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We announced about two weeks ago that Devver and Caliper would be shutting down. The Caliper service will be shut down on April 30th, and Devver will be ceasing operations. We shared some of our thoughts about lessons learned while working on Devver.

Now people have been asking what Ben and I will be doing next. Honestly, at the moment it remains a mystery as much to us as to anyone. Both Ben and I have been working on startups together for over 3 years, something we had talked about doing together since high school. After our experience we both plan to take a bit of time off, to work on open source, personal projects, learn new things, and maybe catch up on some hobbies that have been neglected. Since Devver and the structure around it will be disappearing, we wanted to share our personal contact info in case anyone wants to get in touch with us. We will be looking at new work to get involved with sometime in May. Feel free to contact either of us if there is an opportunity one of us might be interested in.

Ben Brinckerhoff can be found online at, and his email is

Dan Mayer can be found online at, and his email is

We have learned an amazing amount over the last couple of years. We both feel like this has been an amazing opportunity and one last time want to thank everyone for their support. Thanks to the Ruby community, all the awesome Techstars teams, the startup community, our friends, families, and investors. We never would have made it this far and lasted this long in the startup world without all of you.

Next? Life is a journey, and we are excited to see whatever the future brings us. Thanks for all the good times, knowledge learned, and all the amazing people we met along the way.

Written by DanM

April 30, 2010 at 8:45 am

Posted in Boulder, Devver, Ruby, TechStars

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Lessons Learned

As we’ve begun to wrap things up here at Devver, we’ve had the chance to reflect a bit on our experience. Although shutting down is not the outcome we wanted, it’s clear to both Dan and I that doing a startup has been an amazing learning experience. While we still have a lot to learn, we wanted to share some of the most important lessons we’ve learned during this time.

The community

When we started Devver, we were hesitant to ask for feedback and help. We quickly found that people are incredibly helpful and generous with their time. Users were willing to take a chance and use our products while giving us valuable feedback. Fellow Rubyists gave us ideas and helped us with technical problems. Mentors made time for meetings and introduced us to others who could assist us. And other entrepreneurs, both new and seasoned, were happy to share stories, compare experiences, and offer support.

If you are working on a startup, don’t be afraid to ask for help! The vast majority of people want to help you succeed, provided that you respect them and their time. That means you need to prepare adequately (do your research and ask good questions), figure out their preferred methods of communication (e.g. don’t call if they prefer email), show up on time, don’t overburden them, and thank them. And when other people need your help, give back!

You can build awesome relationships with various communities on your own, but we strongly recommend joining a mentorship program like TechStars. The program accelerated the process of connecting with mentors, users, and other entrepreneurs by providing an amazing community during the summer (and to this day). The advice, introductions, and support have been simply incredible.

Founding team

Dan and I are both technical founders. Looking back, it would have been to our advantage to have a third founder who really loved the business aspect of running a startup.

There is a belief (among technical founders) that technical founders are sufficient for a successful startup. Or, put more harshly, that you can teach a hacker business, but you can’t teach a businessman how to hack“. I don’t want to argue whether that’s true or not. Clearly there are examples of technical founders being sufficient to get a company going, but my point is that having solely technical founders is non-optimal. You can teach a hacker business, but you can’t make him or her get excited about it, which means it may not get the time or attention it deserves.

Hackers are passionate about, well, hacking. And so we tend to measure progress in terms of features completed or lines of code written. Clearly, code needs to be written, but ideally a startup would have a founder who is working on important non-technical tasks: talking with customers, measuring key metrics, developing distribution channels, etc. I’m not advocating that only one founder works on these tasks while technical founders ignore customer development – everyone needs to get involved. Rather, I’m pointing out that given a choice, technical founders will tend to solve problems technically and having a founder who has the opposite default is valuable.

Remote teams

We embraced working remotely: we hired Avdi to work in Pennsylvania while Dan and I lived in Boulder and later on, Dan moved to Washington, DC. There are many benefits to having a distributed team, but two stood out in our experience. First, we could hire top talent without having to worry about location (in fact, our flexibility regarding location was very attractive to most candidates we interviewed). Secondly, being in different locations allowed every team member to work with minimal distractions, which is invaluable when it comes to efficiently writing good code.

That said, communication was a challenge. To ensure we were all synced up, we had a daily standup as well as a weekly review. When Dan moved to DC, he and I scheduled another weekly meeting with no set agenda to just bring up all the issues, large and small, that were on our minds. We also all got together in the same location every few months to work in the same room and rekindle our team energy.

Also, pair programming was difficult to do remotely and we never came up with a great solution. As a result, we spent less than a day pairing a week on average.

The most significant drawback to a remote team is the administrative hassle. It’s a pain to manage payroll, unemployment, insurance, etc in one state. It’s a freaking nightmare to manage in three states (well, two states and a district), even though we paid a payroll service to take care of it. Apparently, once your startup gets larger, there are companies that will manage this with minimal hassle, but for a small team, it was a major annoyance and distraction.

Product development

Most of the mistakes we made developing our test accelerator and, later, Caliper boiled down to one thing: we should have focused more on customer development and finding a minimum viable product (MVP).

The first thing we worked on was our Ruby test accelerator. At the time, we thought we had found our MVP: we had made encouraging technical progress and we had talked to several potential customers who were excited about the product we were building. Anything simpler seems “too simple” to be interesting.

Our mistake at that point was to go “heads down” and focus on building the accelerator while minimizing our contact with users and customers (after all, we knew how great it was and time spent talking to customers was time we could be hacking!). We should have asking, “Is there an even simpler version of this product that we can deliver sooner to learn more about pricing, market size, and technical challenges?”

If we had done so, we would have discovered:

  • whether the need was great enough (and if the solution was good enough) to convince people to open their wallets
  • that while a few users acutely felt the pain of slow tests, most didn’t care about acceleration. However, many of those users did want a “simpler” application – non-accelerated Ruby cloud testing.
  • the primary technical challenge was not accelerating tests, it was configuring servers for customers’ Rails applications. Not only did we spend time focusing on the wrong technical challenges, we also made architectural decisions that actually made it harder to solve this core problem.

After eventually discovering that setup and configuration was our primary adoption problem (and after trying and failing to implement various strategies to make it simple and easy), we tried to move to the other end of the spectrum. Caliper was designed to provide value with zero setup or configuration – users just provided a link to source code and instantly got valuable data.

Unfortunately, we again made the mistake of focusing on engineering first and customer development second. We released our first version to some moderate success and then proceeded to continue to churn out features without really understanding customer needs. Only later on, after finally engaging potential customers did we realize that market was too small and price point was to low to have Caliper sustain our company by itself.


This is by no means a comprehensive list, but it is our hope that other startups and founders-to-be can learn from our experiences, both mistakes and successes. Doing a startup has been an incredible learning experience for both Dan and I and we look forward to learning more in the future – both first-hand and from the amazing group of entrepreneurs and hackers that we’ve been privileged enough to know.

Written by Ben

April 26, 2010 at 11:04 am

Boulder CTO January Lunch with Jud Valeski

The Boulder CTO Lunch meets once a month with a guest speaker and covers topics and questions that startup CTOs should find interesting. This month, the group had Jud Valeski, who is currently the CTO at Gnip. Prior to Gnip, Jud started his professional career in technology at IBM as a software developer. In the past ten years he has spent about five of them coding (primarily C/C++), and about five of them in technical team management/director capacities. The bulk of his experience comes from Netscape Communications (acquired by AOL), with varying durations at IBM, Microsoft, and (acquired by OpenWave).

I will share highlights of the discussion, but since this was a open, free-formed discussion, I am sure I couldn’t capture everything and not all my notes are completely accurate. Some of the notes also come from participants in the conversation and are not necessarily held by the discussion leader.

A question we ask each visitor, every month, What is a CTO? we do this because every CTO has a different answer.
“The title is pretty much irrelevant to me.” At a small company it doesn’t matter. It means something, it means a lot, at larger companies.

CEO is pure fantasy
Dev is pure reality
CTO is the bridge

Jud is a developer turned CTO, he explains this can be hard for some because a CTO brings some management responsibilities, which doesn’t always come naturally to all developers.

If you come from only management experience you can have a hard time with the CTO role because they don’t have the technical depth to make these decisions.

Important qualities of a CTO
* Technical Management
* Technical Direction (choose the tech to use, the approach, the design)

CTO role embodies the sense of leadership.

As CTO, you need a complete understanding of the business.

If the CTO is scattered that can be fatal. Be clear with prioritization and direction. If a person in the leadership position is confused it leads to a lack of confidence.

CTOs need to always be able to draw the system architecture. If you can’t, you are too detached.

To show those around you that you know what you are doing, you have to get down in the trenches and make some low level decisions with them. Backing up the decisions by explaining the technical merit of those choices.

Defining his role at Gnip
Push technical discussions along. Don’t let a topic be discussed too long when a decision needs to be made. Also, don’t cut off the discussion before exploring enough opportunities or you can make the wrong decisions.

At Gnip, defining the technical direction involved setting expectations that Gnip is an agile shop, uses pair programming, and uses lots of testing

One thing Jud measures the most is how well the team is going. If it isn’t going well, it is his fault.

A personal metric of Jud’s: if Gnip disbands tomorrow, every employee should be better and more knowledgeable than they were before they worked at Gnip.

* Only hire people that are smarter than you.
* If you think you are the smartest in the room, there is an ego problem and it is hurting the business.
* The downside to this is it takes a long time to hire.
* Gnip might hire 1 out of every 120 resumes it takes the time to seriously consider.
* It is important to sit down and write code with someone, plenty of people can talk a good talk
* Hire generalist because they can learn and do anything
* Don’t just hire for the tech need, the team personality and fit are just as important.
* Everyone on the team has to be great people, not just in the office, but out of the office.

The Gnip hiring process:
Resume Screen -> 30 minute call -> group tech conversation -> half/full day pair programming

Jud was once a part of a team that went from 15-50 in 4 months, which was too fast of growth and it was a mistake.

As a CTO do you have to manage your CEO?
“Yeah, all the time, absolutely.”

Like any job you need to be careful about what you escalate to the boss. The CEO doesn’t want to hear about every little thing.

What can a CTO do to foster engineering growth?
* Let employees buy as many books as they want on the companies dime.
* If you can afford it do the same for training
* Encourage participation in users groups
* Churn what people are working on
* Force developers out of their comfort zones.

What do you do about slipping schedules?
“Anyone suggesting software stays on schedule is in fantasy land”

If you pin motivation, success, or failure to a schedule you are doomed.

Wins have to come from someplace, if you set a schedule and meet it celebrate.

Reconciling schedules with business realities is probably one of the toughest CTO jobs.

If you have shrink wrapped software schedules has a whole different meaning.

Don’t inflate dates just to make the schedule, any dishonesty anywhere in the chain is bad.

You need to be able to release internally all the time. Internally always try to release early and release often.

When falling behind schedule, you have to evaluate the severity of each bug and feature. If there is a known workaround, that changes everything. If there is a workaround then it doesn’t have to block a release. If there isn’t a workaround, then you have to decide if it makes sense to have a release missing that feature.

Thanks a bunch to Jud for sharing his thoughts with our CTO group. I also want to thank Tom Chikoore from Filtrbox for organizing the meetings, and Jon Fox and David Cohen who originally started our CTO lunches.

Written by DanM

February 16, 2009 at 10:40 am

Boulder CTO January Lunch with Sanjiv Bhargava

The Boulder CTO Lunch meets once a month with a guest speaker and covers topics and questions that startup CTOs should find interesting. This month, the group had Sanjiv Bhargava from StillSecure come talk with our group. Before becoming VP of product development at StillSecure, Sanjiv was VP of Technology at Symantec Corporation. Sanjiv was also involved in some startups that failed and others that succeeded (selling a consulting company he founded). I will share highlights of the discussion, but since this was a open, free-formed discussion, I am sure I couldn’t capture everything and not all my notes are completely accurate.

Remote vs. Local employees
Sanjiv has worked with geographically dispersed teams in the past, but recommends working with everyone under the same roof if possible. He said that for small teams it is very helpful, as you build teams you need to build relationships.

Corporate Culture
“One of the best parts of starting a company is you get to create the company culture”

A team is a reflection of the leader, or you can switch it around, a leader is a reflection of a team because the leader builds that team.

The first hire to a small team has a huge impact on corporate culture, which can be good, but be aware of it.

What makes a good team?
* getting the right team chemistry
* sometimes make a compromise on technical knowledge but not on culture and team chemistry.

As a small startup, you don’t have time for team building exercises, if you need those at this level you have the wrong people in the company

The corporate culture is set by who you are. For example, if your office has a ping pong table and you never play ping pong that sets a culture to never play – focus on work. To play or never play: either is OK, but your actions as a leader set it.

Problem Employees
Have an open dialog with a problem employee to figure out what is going on. Maybe things can be turned around.

In small startups you need to cut your losses on employees fast and early.

There is never an easy or easier time to get rid of someone.

Think of the other employees you have. Good startup employees know the bad hire isn’t working out, and they don’t like having to carry their dead weight.

Employee Training
“Sometimes it would take you 2 hours to do something, or it take 1 hour of training and 4 hours for the new employee the first time. You have to take the trade off.”

Everyone chimed in on evaluations from the group, some of the thoughts are below.
* Every 6 weeks have a quick meeting. “Here is what you did awesome, here is what you could improve”
* Discuss as part of a team. What can I change? What can we improve on as a team? Have them evaluate you as a leader as well.
* A quick weekly meeting. What is not going right? What is going well? Go over what goals were met from the previous week. Have a meeting to set goals for the week and the year.
* It isn’t about management recognition, it is about team recognition. Group support and group recognition.
* Don’t have meetings. Do it on the fly, why wait to tell someone something is awesome or something wasn’t up to par?

The CTOs Role
* Ask ten different people what is the role of a CTO and you will get ten different answers.
* The CTO role is decided by what fits the company.
* It is a role that is a combination of business and technology.
* Two types of visionary CTOs, “How do I grow the business?”, or “How do I scale the technology or broaden the feature set?”
* One of the biggest mistakes we make is we try to pigeon hole people into boxes and defined roles.

Thanks everyone for attending our January CTO lunch. Thanks to Sanjiv for helping lead a great discussion. Also, thanks as always for TechStars for hosting our group. If you are interested in joining our CTO lunch shoot me an email dan, and I can get you on the email list.

Written by DanM

January 23, 2009 at 2:24 pm

Posted in Boulder, Misc, TechStars

Notes from the Boulder CTO lunch (11/3/2008)

Although I’m not actually the CTO of Devver, I had the pleasure of attending the Boulder CTO lunch this past Monday since Dan was out of town.

This week, the group had Todd Vernon from Lijit come lead the discussion. Although Todd is currently CEO of Lijit, he was CTO at his former company, Raindance.

The group that was assembled was small but awesome – I had the opportunity to learn not only from Todd, but also from the CTOs of a few of last years TechStars companies.

The discussion touched on a ton of topics, but two (related) themes that were heavily discussed were the role of the CTO and how a company grows from a technology perspective. I’ve organized my notes below. Keep in mind that these are the collected thoughts from a number of different participants and I may not have captured their ideas with 100% accuracy.

The Role of a CTO

What is the difference between a CTO and a VP of Engineering?

CTO is about leadership for technical issues, interfacing with the business side, guiding the product, get people excited about product from a technical point of view.

VPoE is almost one step above Chief Architect, more on a management side, getting product delivered.

1st time CTOs need to figure out their exact role. It’s a very amorphous role, depending on the company.

CTO needs to be able to tell the whole business story, understand the good parts and bad.

Early on, CTO should insert themselves into the sales process as much as possible (especially right after you hire the sales person). You need to be able to hear what customers say they want, so you can translate that into what they really need.

The Technology Onion

There is a technology onion – make sure the core of the onion is owned by company (the outer layers, not as important). The CTO needs to figure out the relationship between the technologies and the company’s partnerships. The closer a technology is to the core of the onion, the more important it is to own it and to make sure it scales.

For instance, if you’re depending on Google for search, you’re powerless to change features if things don’t work as your customers want/expect. If search is core to your business (near the core of the onion), consider building it internally. It’s the CTOs role to make that case, because business people will never understand the need to spend money to get “the same thing.”

Having to re-architect a core component of a company can really hurt growth. Assume you’re going to be successful, so plan for that.

Along the same lines, one concern about using EC2 is that you get tied to the platform and your business is dependent on an outside force you can’t control. Hosting on EC2 can be quite different than hosting your own boxes.

Acceptable Failures

What is acceptable downtime? It depends on when – between midnight to 1-2 AM, it might be OK to be down for a few minutes. CTOs need to determine what acceptable downtime is and tell that the to the rest of management and have people agree.

CTOs need to make decisions (for instance, what is the acceptable down time, acceptable data loss, or acceptable time for page load) and then tell the entire organization. That way, when something bad happens, you can explain that everyone agreed on the specific numbers. It’s unlikely your business will need to be (or can be) 100% perfect on all metrics, but people need to understand what the goal is and why it’s realistic.


If at least one person is using your service, you should have two web servers. It gives you ton of flexibility. Having two boxes forces you to work out most of the issues early (it’s a lot different getting to 2 boxes than 3 or 4). It’s not about load, it’s about reliability.

No matter how useful you are, if you are not reliable, someone will blog, “it’s cool, but it doesn’t work reliably.”

Downtime spreads very fast across Twitter. Consider tweeting about upcoming service interruptions ahead of time so customers are aware.

After more than 15 people, you need a dedicated operations person. Get some basic monitoring services early – after a server is under load, it’s really hard to diagnose. Try to detect stuff early, it’s easier to debug.

With startups, generally the problem tends to be slow requests rather than complete service downtime. Make sure your monitoring service will alert you with slow requests.

Get app specific stuff – a warning like “High CPU load,” is harder to understand (it might be a problem, or maybe the machine is just handling a lot of requests successfully), but “Page X takes 80 sec to load” is more obvious.

As you grow, try to measure more and more. Things often degrade slowly, and one day you just notice its too slow and it’s hard to go back and find the root of the problem.

Make two lists: a) the most catastrophic things that could happen and b) the most likely things that could happen. Where those lists overlap, you need to fix something. But there will be some risks that you decide are reasonable risks for the business (revisit these risks regularly as things change).

Regarding backup – always make sure you try to restore some data (before you really need it). You need to make sure it works and make sure its fast enough.

You should always be able to describe at a high level how the service will scale infinitely (it doesn’t have to be technically perfect, but it has to be believable). When someone wants to purchase, that’ll be a huge help – the business guy on the other side of the table will want to buy, but the technical guy doesn’t want to buy (he wants to build it in-house).

I hope those notes make some sense and give you a good feel for the discussion we had. I’m looking forward to attending more of these lunches (I hope they’ll continue to let a few CEOs sneak in…)

Written by Ben

November 7, 2008 at 10:21 am

Posted in Devver, Misc, TechStars

Yeah, that’s my cofounder

Behold my favorite picture of this awesome TechStars summer

Dan\'s backflip

Considering you can clearly see the Devver logo on Dan’s shirt, I think this needs to be in all our future marketing material. Nothing says “developers love Devver” like a developer doing a backflip in excitement. Awesome stuff.

Written by Ben

August 28, 2008 at 8:59 am

Posted in Devver, TechStars

TechStars Completed

TechStars has been an amazing group to be a part of. We have frequently been asked about the program and “what is the best part of the TechStars program?” It is really hard to break it down to any single point, but all the benefits come back to being all about the people.

We have received a ton of help from everyone in the program. We want to thank all of the mentors and sponsors involved with the program. TechStars really brings an amazing group of people together. We of course want to thank the original founders of TechStars – you have helped to build a really unique and engaged tech community in Boulder.

We want to give mad props to all of the other TechStars 08 teams. Some of the best advice we got came from the other teams. So thanks goes out to Occipital, Gyminee, App-X, TravelFli, Ignighter, People’s Software Company, Foodzie, BuyPlayWin, and of course The Highway Girl.

We also got some great advice and feedback from some of last year’s teams. Thank you to Ari from Filtrbox, Rob and Josh from EventVue, and the entire team with Socialthing!.

Last, but not least, we wanted to give a final thanks to some of the mentors that we spent additional time with. We really appreciate the advice, feedback, and laughs… thanks to David Cohen, Tom Higley, and Seth Levine.

Congrats to everyone for making TechStars such an amazing ride. We know that even though the program is over we will still be getting advice from many of you and still be working with the kind of determination that TechStars helps foster.

Written by DanM

August 22, 2008 at 4:56 pm

Posted in Devver, TechStars

Product Management with Niel Robertson

Update: Changed Project to Product, I didn’t realize the differences. Niel pointed out that they aren’t the same in another thread.
Niel sent the actually Power Point which you can check out for yourself, product-management-v1.

We have met with Niel Robertson before, but this was the first time we got to see him present a topic. He gave a talk at TechStars informing groups why Product Management (PM) for startups is important. In fact, he went as far as saying the number one thing that goes wrong at startups might be PM. Niel described PM as a process for delivering the right features at the right time. He went on to discuss why PM can become stale, be ignored, and is often hated because it is associated with excessive documentation, which it shouldn’t be. Mentioning more than once that the best feature requests, requirements, and specs are often just one sentence.

Niel presented PM as a general evolving process, and specifically avoided specific PM systems or methodologies. Niel said he is totally document agnostic and all systems have positives and negatives in terms of PM. It came across that it wasn’t important what system was used, but that everyone at every stage of the project must write things down. He described that ideally every test case should be tied all the way back through spec, requirement, and finally feature. One thing that Niel specifically did say was worth doing was completing a feature review before QA. Have an engineer walk through the project and show each of the requirements being fulfilled, have the product manager and QA lead attend this feature review.

His basic points about why every product can benefit from PM are:

  • It takes 30 secs to write a requirement
  • 2 minutes to clarify in discussion
  • 5 min to for an engineer to spec
  • Hours or days to prototype, write code, integrate, or deploy it

Because of these points he doesn’t want to hear a team is small and agile so following a PM process would slow them down. In the long run following a process will be faster. That point really hit home with a concrete example he gave, “If a project is UI intensive absolutely do not start coding, go to a white board.” This resonated with me, because we made a huge mistake with my last startup, by getting into the prototype without spending enough time thinking about UI. He said, “Don’t tell me that product management is something you do at a bigger company that has more complexity.”

As my notes are often just a list of key points that caught my attention, I will do as I often do and share some favorites.

  • How to write a good requirement… “The user should be able to…”
  • How to respond with a good spec… “The user can do that by… doing X… List the exceptions”
  • A spec is well written when QA can figure out how to test a feature based on the spec.
  • Doesn’t encourage people to shotgun tons of things to market. “When I make spaghetti, I try not to throw all of it against the wall.”
  • On gathering data, go out and talk to people getting more data points about the problem you are solving until you start hearing the same things and can’t learn more from talking. Then go work on it, knowing all this data.
  • Niel doesn’t recommend a developer also taking on the role of PM, as there needs to be a tension between who represents the user and who implements the product.
  • “The PM should be the most empowered employee in your company… Yes, even more than the CEO”

There were a ton of other good thoughts on what exactly a PM does, and how to select a good PM, but as always I can’t really do a presentation justice. Thanks Niel for the great talk.

Update: great discussion going on at Hacker News
Niel sent his Power Point slides after a few people asked for them, product-management-v1.

Written by DanM

July 10, 2008 at 8:12 am

Posted in TechStars

Congrats to Filtrbox

Filtrbox launched publicly a couple days ago and I just wanted to say congrats. Filtrbox is a TechStars 07 company, that I really didn’t hear or see much of last year. When I first heard what they were doing, I thought, “Yeah I already have Google alerts thanks.” Now Filtrbox has become my favorite of all the TechStars 07 companies. I have canceled all of my Google alerts, Filterbox is simply better, no question. That is what is so surprising, Google has all the info it should need (search, indexing, news search, blog search) but it just doesn’t filter the information as well. In fact my Google alerts sends me so many duplicates that the noise had caused me to ignore them most of the time. Each morning as part of my routine I now wake up and quickly look for my Filtrbox daily email report. It lets me easily see what is being talked about with my company, my industry, my partners. In fact I find new uses for Filtrbox often. When I was told I should keep my eyes out for news about a particular announcement coming in the next few weeks, the first thing I did was set up a new filter. I didn’t have to worry about missing the big news or the opportunity to become part of the discussion about that news. I just simply outsourced worrying about it and monitoring the news, and Filtrbox caught it and brought it to my attention. I recently started inviting some of my friends to try out the service, which I thought they would find interesting, but now that it has gone public I invite all of you to try Filtrbox out.

Written by DanM

July 1, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Posted in TechStars

Devver Podcast

Andrew Hyde recently interviewed Dan and I for the TechStars Community site. You can listen to the podcast here (and see a picture of Dan and I staring dramatically at a piece of paper).

Written by Ben

June 16, 2008 at 8:37 am

Posted in Devver, TechStars